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Mike
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 Posted - 11/26/2002 : 05:37:19 AM
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The tournament is at Roberts (and has been for many years  ).
More schedule information can be found here.
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Stackempies
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Posted - 11/26/2002 : 3:57:14 PM
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HAHAHA! Q couldn't be any more wrong. I like Bellanca, he is a great coach. Never has he scorned me or whatever you think my motive is. Bellanca is one of the best I've ever played with. However, I just hate it when punks come on here and post about their schools. Most of these posts are just team pride. People saying their team is gonna be the best, and crud like that. All I ask is that we keep the posts inteligent. This isn't a cheer for your team discussion board, it's for serious volleyball affiliates and their thoughts. On another note, why should it matter what school I'm from. That doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you should explain it.
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Q
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/27/2002 : 12:16:23 AM
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It doesnt matter what school you are from.....You stated my point exactly......posts should be about the game not "yeah my team" or this coach sucks.....
My other point was that you missed the RH posts meaning....they were just trying to get a little respect and stir up a little smack by warning that they shouldnt be taken lightly.....they definitely had reason to do both......thye are feasting on their words now ....but as all know...or should....the path to the championship is not easy.....especially if you arent sitting in a 1 or 2 spot...in the draw.....
If you back through the posts you will see I stated my point quite clearly.....I dont need to defend them......but I did.....which should tell you something about me.....and no I am not in any way affiliated with RH.
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Stackempies
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Posted - 11/27/2002 : 3:40:36 PM
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"they were just trying to get a little respect and stir up a little smack by warning that they shouldnt be taken lightly.....they definitely had reason to do both"-Q
They definately has a reason to be taken lightly. Sheldon was their only decent hitter and even he wasn't a sure thing all the time. More importantly, their serve recieves were very inconsistent and, to be nice, I'll only go as far as saying their defense was poor.
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Q
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Posted - 11/27/2002 : 6:23:11 PM
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Hmmmm....lets extrapolate on what you said.....then all of the teams who lost to RH have the same, if notworse, deficiencies (sp?). Sheldon was there only "decent" hitter.....? R U Serious.....Sheldon was the most exciting hitter in all of Section V....they also had three other players who hit just as well as any other schools 2nd 3rd and 4th hitters.......
Lets see if you are for real or just here to spout off with anonimity.....turn the spotlight on your team and let all who read this know what you felt were the weaknesses of your team.
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stitches
Starting Member
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Posted - 11/27/2002 : 9:43:13 PM
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I know that alot of focus has been put on the strong teams in the large schools, but what about the small schools? Who does everyone think will come out strong? Most of the teams appear to have younger players, but who does it look like it will be in finals?
I recently saw RH playing and they appear to have good talent w/strong seniors leading the way, but I felt as though they won't be as good as fairport or brockport. I may have just seen them in a bad game though.
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Stackempies
Starting Member
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Posted - 11/28/2002 : 1:45:37 PM
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"anonimity"- good think you have a thesaurus with you when you post. I don't need your big words to understand you are trying to emphasis your point. RH had a sub-par OH2 and an OPP who hit the ball hard, but never inbounds. You say Sheldon was an exciting player. Maybe you don't notice his defensive flaws. He can't read setters. His block doesn't penetrate the net. His passing was unreliable. He never go low, hustled for a ball, or dug like a real volleyball player. His serves were candy. Basically, he was only good at hitting well placed sets, and we all know that isn't enough to be a good player.
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otter6297
Junior Member
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Posted - 11/28/2002 : 3:36:49 PM
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Never did I read that Sheldon was or wasn't strong defensively, had a good or bad serve, etc. What was said is that he was the most exciting hitter in Section V. The topic of this post is what's the outlook for section V girls this year?
It is impossible to tell the outlook. Every team will gel to a different degree, every team will have its ups and downs, every team will have some sort of injury, etc. And to say that a lot will be found out at these early season tournaments is ridiculous. Not every coach goes into these tournaments trying to set a tone for the season. Some may want to see underclassmen get some PT for later when it matters, some may se it to determine a final starting position, some may be trying out new players at new positions to see how much flexibility they will have later in the season.
I can not tell you how many tournaments the teams I coach have won, because we don't keep track. Each tournament has a set goal for the team, and because they don't count toward seeding points or records, I can tell you the goal has NEVER been to win it. If we win while working on other things, then that is frosting. The outlook for Section V girls is the same as every year. Great players playing, great coaches coaching, mostly great fans watching the best darn sport around (except maybe wrestling). So to the players --> good luck, to the coaches --> work hard, to the fans -->be quiet and enjoy the matches, and to Q--> you rule(with or without a thesaurus)
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Stackempies
Starting Member
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Posted - 11/28/2002 : 7:49:50 PM
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Your right. Tournaments don't mean anything.
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raider1
Junior Member
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Posted - 11/29/2002 : 09:52:50 AM
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Well, to those above who always put out informative and intelligent posts: this time you really puzzle me. Tournaments don't mean anything?? Not true to the teams I've coached OR more importantly to the teams and coaches I've coached against. The tournaments we regularly play in: Sweet Home, Eden, Horseheads, Frontier, along with some out-of-town tourneys we've visited--these are the times when most teams play their fierciest (and their best) and want to win the most. In section VI, most kids prefer tournaments over single match play any day AND respect the outcome of play more. Tournaments are invaluable for developing superior play and they are also invaluable for developing a tradition of winning, team pride, reputation, clutch play, etc. For teams shooting to be the best, these tournaments are an opportunity to state your case against the best (or at least against teams you don't normally play). It is true that in terms of division and sectional championships or seeding, these tournaments don't mean anything per say. And it is ALSO true that in an EARLY tournament like this one tomorrow, it IS too early to determine too much: many coaches haven't even solidified their line-up yet. But every tournament (except for scrimmage ones) tells a lot and means a lot. Otherwise, they wouldn't hand out championship trophies and the players and coaches wouldn't be busting their butts so hard to win them each year. And you can't really judge a team's quality unless they're playing against top competition. Lastly, those who perform well at tournaments during the year often perform well in the playoffs; after all, the playoff system IS a tournament. On a separate (but MORE IMPORTANT NOTE), to Stackempires: you have no business bashing an individual player on this site. Those comments you can keep to yourself, thanks. There is NO room on this site for that.
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Stackempies
Starting Member
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Posted - 11/29/2002 : 1:29:45 PM
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Your right in one repsect. Tournaments do add valuable experience to your players, but every team should have one goal: winning sectionals. In five years, noone will care who won those tournaments, but they will remeber who won sectionals, and that is the goal of the season. Tournaments should be a time for backups to gain experience, coaches to scout other teams, and for the players to just have fun. The only teams that should enter tournaments in hopes of winning, are JV teams. That's all they have. Winning tournaments is nice, but it is pretty much pointless.
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raider1
Junior Member
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Posted - 11/30/2002 : 3:01:08 PM
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Your right in one repsect. Tournaments do add valuable experience to your players, but every team should have one goal: winning sectionals. ONE goal?? That's it??
[Gee, I guess every year your team doesn't win sectionals is a complete failure then.]
In five years, noone will care who won those tournaments, but they will remeber who won sectionals, and that is the goal of the season.
[I don't know about in 5 years & I'm not sure I care either, but our team has thoroughly enjoyed EVERY tournament victory over the past 4 years. And every year we go back to the Horseheads NYS Tournament of Champions--perennially made up of the top teams in the state--each year, our and other teams' past years' tournament victories are listed in the tournament program. In short, some of our team's (and I'm sure other team's) most memorable moments occurred in tournaments.]
Tournaments should be a time for backups to gain experience, coaches to scout other teams, and for the players to just have fun.
[I never know what this means: "for the players to 'just have fun.'" Not playing your best/at the highest level possible or playing all-out to win is never very much fun to a real competitor. Of course, losing a hard-fought match to an excellent team is also rewarding and well...enjoyable in its own right, but losing to an inferior team because the coach was unnecessarily messing around with the line-up or because the players were allowed to enter the play with a laisez-faire attitude is never fun. Usually, both players and coach leave frustrated and with issues to deal with the next Monday.]
The only teams that should enter tournaments in hopes of winning, are JV teams. That's all they have. Winning tournaments is nice, but it is pretty much pointless.
[Ok, now I get it. You've never won a tournament of consequence,...except maybe when you played JV.]
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Your right in one repsect. Tournaments do add valuable experience to your players, but every team should have one goal: winning sectionals. ONE goal?? That's it??
[Gee, I guess every year your team doesn't win sectionals is a complete failure then.]
In five years, noone will care who won those tournaments, but they will remeber who won sectionals, and that is the goal of the season.
[I don't know about in 5 years & I'm not sure I care either, but our team has thoroughly enjoyed EVERY tournament victory over the past 4 years. And every year we go back to the Horseheads NYS Tournament of Champions--perennially made up of the top teams in the state--each year, our and other teams' past years' tournament victories are listed in the tournament program. In short, some of our team's (and I'm sure other team's) most memorable moments occurred in tournaments.]
Tournaments should be a time for backups to gain experience, coaches to scout other teams, and for the players to just have fun.
[I never know what this means: "for the players to 'just have fun.'" Not playing your best/at the highest level possible or playing all-out to win is never very much fun to a real competitor. Of course, losing a hard-fought match to an excellent team is also rewarding and well...enjoyable in its own right, but losing to an inferior team because the coach was unnecessarily messing around with the line-up or because the players were allowed to enter the play with a laisez-faire attitude is never fun. Usually, both players and coach leave frustrated and with issues to deal with the next Monday.]
The only teams that should enter tournaments in hopes of winning, are JV teams. That's all they have. Winning tournaments is nice, but it is pretty much pointless.
[Ok, now I get it. You've never won a tournament of consequence,...except maybe when you played JV.]
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Stackempies
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 6:58:07 PM
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your an idiot
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volleymom
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 10:12:35 AM
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When I joined this forum, I thought I'd get information about what was happening in girls volleyball. I didn't realize that bashing teams and individuals was part of a forum. What's the purpose of it?
The tourney was great. I saw team building, parents interacting not only with parents from their team but with other parents (when you're in a gym for over 8 hours you tend to talk to those around you and it wasn't the bashing type conversations), coaches got to see their team's strong and weak points, some players may have gotten to play "new" positions and money was raised for a scholarship fund. To me that's a "winning" situation for all involved!
Congratulations to Baldwinville. Your middle blocker is hard to beat.
Good luck to all Monroe county teams. I look forward to the next tourney at Churchville!
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JBellanca
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 3:28:01 PM
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I truly apologize for arriving at this discussion late, but I pride myself on being an infrequent observer on this site, and I consider this an appropriate time for my first post. I am rather embarrassed by the amount of attention that my hiring as the Rush-Henrietta Varsity coach has generated on this board. Though the loyalty and dedication of my boys' players is gratifying, it has also been grossly misguided in this case. While they are certainly proud of their accomplishments in recent years with me, they have clearly not matured to the point that they can post positive, responsible messages on this board, and I have asked them, for the good of this forum, to retract their earlier statements, and then cease posting messages here.
As for predictions of this coming season, it is flattering to be mentioned by anyone as having the opportunity to compete with the established powers in Section V. I have high expectations for my girls this year, but having seen all of the top competitors this past weekend at Roberts Wesleyan, we will have to redouble our efforts in order to compete with them. With hard work and improvement, we hope to be close to them by the end of January, but for anyone to imply that this improvement could happen simply because of a coaching change is both unrealistic, and insulting to my predecessor. As a student and a player in the boys' program at R-H when the girls' program was in its glory under Tut, I saw firsthand the level of success that is his legacy here. To those who have spent the preceding month trashing his coaching ability and his legacy - You are not only completely out of line, but you have offended a great many in our volleyball community, and the general lack of intelligence in your arguments is insulting to Rush-Henrietta. I hope that you will immediately retract the garbage that you have said in the last month with the same vigor that you demonstrated in spreading it.
To those who have mentioned kind words in defending me, I thank you. I truly have been blessed to have had the opportunity to coach the quality student-athletes of both Penfield and Rush-Henrietta. To those who have vilifed me and my team in the last month - I thank you, as well. You have provided us with added resolve as we continue our season. It is my sincere hope never to have to post a message such as this again. Hopefully, the messages on this board will stay as positive as those from volleymom - whose optimism on behalf of Brockport should be a model for all who post here, and whom I truly hope to meet face-to-face when we play on December 17. I wish everyone a successful season this year.
Joe Bellanca -
Rush-Henrietta Varsity Girls Coach
ier statements, and then cease posting messages here.
As for predictions of this coming season, it is flattering to be mentioned by anyone as having the opportunity to compete with the established powers in Section V. I have high expectations for my girls this year, but having seen all of the top competitors this past weekend at Roberts Wesleyan, we will have to redouble our efforts in order to compete with them. With hard work and improvement, we hope to be close to them by the end of January, but for anyone to imply that this improvement could happen simply because of a coaching change is both unrealistic, and insulting to my predecessor. As a student and a player in the boys' program at R-H when the girls' program was in its glory under Tut, I saw firsthand the level of success that is his legacy here. To those who have spent the preceding month trashing his coaching ability and his legacy - You are not only completely out of line, but you have offended a great many in our volleyball community, and the general lack of intelligence in your arguments is insulting to Rush-Henrietta. I hope that you will immediately retract the garbage that you have said in the last month with the same vigor that you demonstrated in spreading it.
To those who have mentioned kind words in defending me, I thank you. I truly |
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Stackempies
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 5:21:10 PM
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That is the classiest thing I've ever read on this site. Good luck tonight against Penfield, and have a great season.
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angelblue7143
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 10:35:39 PM
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| I have just been informed of all the talk that has been going on about our R-H team and I have never felt prouder to play volleyball this year then ever. The girls are great and the talent is there, it just needs to be worked out...but when it happens I think we might come out on top this year. This is my last year playing volleyball and my last year here and Rush-Henrietta and there is no one I want to coach me other then Joe Bellanca. He keeps us stiving to be better because he sees us for what we are and he cares for us as idividuals. There is nothing better then being able to laugh and joke around with your coach about a misspoken word or the stupid thing we did last night. He cares and he cares how we do this season. I played under Tut as well and it is absolutly not necessary to speak awful of him. He was a good coach and helped to make R-H varsity what it is today, but now Bellanca has taken over and people need to respect that and trust in him to carry us further to the place I think we deserve to be...I know I trust him. But anyways good luck to all the teams out there and have a great season! As for my R-H girls, I love you all!! |
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RHVballPlaya
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/03/2002 : 10:52:16 AM
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what is the out look for the varsity girls this year, i knwo that Rh has a very strong team coming in witha great coach, i wanna hear what others have so lemme know?
I believe that everyone misunderstood the whole reason i made this discussion board, foirsta of all, i never intended to glorify anyoine, or put anyone down, all i wantedf to know was what other teams are lookin like this year!!If you look at the first post you will see that, as for all the talk about coaching, i am very proud of my coach, bit that does no tmean i am tryin to start a conflict, or anything, it is just my opinion, thats all, so, since i never really got any outlooks on other teams, liek i was origianlly asking for, i am done wit this board!
"Go Big or Go Home!"
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otter6297
Junior Member
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Posted - 12/04/2002 : 12:39:28 PM
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Raider1.
My point is that each team/coach has a different focus at these tournaments, especially early in the season. Positions are still being decided, line-ups shuffled, etc. Later in the season I want to take a look at what the JV call-ups can offer against stronger competition, I want to rest some of my banged-up starters, I want to see girls in separate roles, to determine how much flexibility I may have. Coaching in Class D it is not always possible to have more than eight players on my varsity team, so tournaments are a chance to see how we play as a team of 11 or 12 (now that I've called up JV's), by no means do we not attempt to play our best, or allow others to win.
In addition, not every school has the resources to travel to far-away tournaments. Then as a class D school, who tends to invite us to their tournaments?? We were in the state finals in 2000 and 2001, and have won sectionals three straight years, but we don't get invited to the best tournaments, and wouldn't be able to travel to most of them if we had been invited. My focus is on the post-season tournaments, not the in-season tournaments, and if my team ever "played their fiercest" during a regular season competition (match or tournament), as opposed to in the sectionals, regionals, far-west regionals, states, etc. then I have failed my team as their coach. Or I have misplaced my teams goals and objectives.
Obviously I do not, and could not speak for everyone, but to me, in-season tournaments are a great evaluation tool, nothing more.
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Q
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/04/2002 : 1:25:22 PM
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Yeah.....we won the Penfield tournament!!!!!!
You never hear that.......but you do hear about sectionals.....
I think just being around volleyball players and coaches....they think Tournaments are just that....a good evaluation tool....nothing more....well....there are some bragging rights....but thats it
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VBD1O
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Posted - 12/05/2002 : 1:25:47 PM
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| Fairport beats Brockport! I call the Red Raiders all the way to a Sectional Championship even though its way early in the season! I'f you have Fairport on your schedule...I hope you're playin well! |
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Q
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/05/2002 : 3:01:32 PM
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I would love to see it.....this is the call.....Fairport in the finals.....its a long season but I like the call.......
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raider1
Junior Member
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Posted - 12/07/2002 : 11:27:53 AM
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Raider1.
My point is that each team/coach has a different focus at these tournaments, especially early in the season. Positions are still being decided, line-ups shuffled, etc. Later in the season I want to take a look at what the JV call-ups can offer against stronger competition, I want to rest some of my banged-up starters, I want to see girls in separate roles, to determine how much flexibility I may have. Coaching in Class D it is not always possible to have more than eight players on my varsity team, so tournaments are a chance to see how we play as a team of 11 or 12 (now that I've called up JV's), by no means do we not attempt to play our best, or allow others to win.
In addition, not every school has the resources to travel to far-away tournaments. Then as a class D school, who tends to invite us to their tournaments?? We were in the state finals in 2000 and 2001, and have won sectionals three straight years, but we don't get invited to the best tournaments, and wouldn't be able to travel to most of them if we had been invited. My focus is on the post-season tournaments, not the in-season tournaments, and if my team ever "played their fiercest" during a regular season competition (match or tournament), as opposed to in the sectionals, regionals, far-west regionals, states, etc. then I have failed my team as their coach. Or I have misplaced my teams goals and objectives.
Obviously I do not, and could not speak for everyone, but to me, in-season tournaments are a great evaluation tool, nothing more.
As always, Otter, your arguments are well-thought-out and intelligent. And basically I think we're disagreeing by degrees here (and doing so, I might add, without either running out of something more to say than calling the other an idiot). I was mostly reacting to the comments that winning tournaments is insignificant or that tournaments are "meaningless" or "pointless." (You did not say that, however.) Those are bold--and misguided--statements. I still would say that tournaments ARE more important than for trying new things and scouting teams and that playing to reach the finals and even winning as many as possible (except maybe for those very early in the season) is very important and directly related to post-season success. The "do-or-die" pressure of sectional, regional, and state tournament play is very intense and I find that the teams that mostly survive it and who mostly frequently handle that pressure are those that simply have experienced that kind of pressure many times before. We all have seen teams--very good teams--get in that environment and get that "deer-in-the-headlights" look or suddenly look lost when a surprise swing of momentum catches them off-guard. One of the best ways to counter that is to put a team in that kind of situation many times against the best teams possible. Especially for smaller school teams (class C & D schools) tournaments can provide this environment as well as any other scenario. If I give a team ANY indication that finishing as high in the standings (or even winning it) is not a high priority, then I'm somewhat losing the intense, high-stakes environment we need to prepare. Since repetition is the key to learning, this "pressure" is something that we can not replicate in practice or in many of our league games. That's all. Hope that makes some sense. By the way, Otter, we would really like to have your team at our tournament next year. If you could work it out.
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Stackempies
Starting Member
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Posted - 12/07/2002 : 4:38:31 PM
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fairport is good, but cottengin needs to improve for them to win it all
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Q
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Posted - 12/09/2002 : 3:42:24 PM
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How about that Bloomfield team though......I just cant let it go...I know the season is over and all.....but what an effort.....that team doesnt need a coach!
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